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Uchihas, yay or nay?
Yes
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No
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PostSubject: Uchihas   Mon May 23, 2011 8:00 pm

If a fair and acceptable version of the Uchiha Clan could be developed, would you want to see one created?


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PostSubject: Re: Uchihas   Thu May 26, 2011 3:43 pm

Ok, so it looks like the voting is pretty close, and I think everyone has voted, except for myself. I still don't know which way I'm in favor of yet, and before I make my decision I want the people who voted to provide your insight as to why. Try to make compelling points as to why we should not have a fair and acceptable (key words) Uchica Clan, if possible to make.
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PostSubject: Re: Uchihas   Thu May 26, 2011 5:04 pm

If it's fair and acceptable why deny members content? What is fair and acceptable? That is open to discussion. Being able to read the moves of weaker opponents? Sure. Unblockable undodgeable fire that burns everything? No. Being able to copy the moves they witness with their Sharingan? Yes. Free moves without paying TP? No.
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PostSubject: Re: Uchihas   Thu May 26, 2011 5:40 pm

I'm inherently biased against the Uchiha in general, because I think it's way broken. (The Byakugan is much less broken IMO)
So I would much rather NOT see it.

But even assuming we implemented it, here's what I think.
1. NO Mangekyo Sharingan. EVER. Waaay too broken.
2. Like Marz said, no way should anyone ever be allowed to get free moves without paying TP.
3. Obviously, even with the jutsu copying thing there has to be limits. I would suggest the following
A. Obviously, no copying kekkei genkai. Duh. Also, no copying jutsu that have a prerequisite listed in their description
B. There has to be a limit to the level of jutsu being copied; I would suggest a 1-level handicap; Say, someone who rates A-Rank in a given category (for example, ninjutsu) could only copy jutsu up to B rank.
C. Also, there should be a limit to how many jutsu can be copied that is inferior to the maximum number of jutsu that person can rank - I'd say half, rounded down. For example, a Chuunin can learn a maximum of 5 jutsu in addition to the 15 they start with. Half of that is 2.5, rounded down to 2, meaning they could only copy a maximum of 2 jutsu. And they'd still have to have the requisite number of TP.
4. Of course, the biggest obstacle to implementing Uchiha is how to explain that they even exist, given that in the series/manga the clan is extinct except for Sasuke, who does not seem to me to be the type to settle down and have kids.

Just thought I'd throw a few ideas out there. I'm against it, but I already have a Konoha character, so I honestly care little either way.
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PostSubject: Re: Uchihas   Thu May 26, 2011 7:00 pm

I'm for it, mainly because it is such an integral part of the Naruto Universe. There would be no Naruto without the Uchiha, that's a given. The good thing is that a fair and acceptable clan can be made; obviously Amatersau and the like would have to be banned, but with the right tweaks, the clan could work. Having a fair and acceptable Uchiha Clan would also give us an edge against a lot of other sites and an overall edgy character that would make the site dynamic and exciting.
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PostSubject: Re: Uchihas   Thu May 26, 2011 7:55 pm

Kirschbl├╝te Geist wrote:
I'm inherently biased against the Uchiha in general, because I think it's way broken. (The Byakugan is much less broken IMO)
So I would much rather NOT see it.

But even assuming we implemented it, here's what I think.
1. NO Mangekyo Sharingan. EVER. Waaay too broken. Agree
2. Like Marz said, no way should anyone ever be allowed to get free moves without paying TP. Agree
3. Obviously, even with the jutsu copying thing there has to be limits. I would suggest the following
A. Obviously, no copying kekkei genkai. Duh. Also, no copying jutsu that have a prerequisite listed in their description Agree
B. There has to be a limit to the level of jutsu being copied; I would suggest a 1-level handicap; Say, someone who rates A-Rank in a given category (for example, ninjutsu) could only copy jutsu up to B rank. Eh... maybe. We could just forbid the copying of S-ranks and leave it at that.
C. Also, there should be a limit to how many jutsu can be copied that is inferior to the maximum number of jutsu that person can rank - I'd say half, rounded down. For example, a Chuunin can learn a maximum of 5 jutsu in addition to the 15 they start with. Half of that is 2.5, rounded down to 2, meaning they could only copy a maximum of 2 jutsu. And they'd still have to have the requisite number of TP. I don't think Uchihas would be starting at anything higher than genin.
D. You could still only learn elemental jutsus you have an affinity for, even with this method.
4. Of course, the biggest obstacle to implementing Uchiha is how to explain that they even exist, given that in the series/manga the clan is extinct except for Sasuke, who does not seem to me to be the type to settle down and have kids. There are a million ways to go about this. That's the beauty about a custom story.
5. A possible limit on who can have an Uchiha and how many there can be at one time. Otherwise every new person is going to want one.

Just thought I'd throw a few ideas out there. I'm against it, but I already have a Konoha character, so I honestly care little either way.
Another thing to note is that having a bias against a broken Uchiha Clan is understandable, but having a bias against a nerfed and unbroken Uchiha Clan that doesn't pose any significant advantage over other clans (again, if possible) is just holding a grudge for no reason. I myself have yet to see an unbroken version of the clan, but we'll see.
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PostSubject: Re: Uchihas   Sat May 28, 2011 2:04 pm

ok, well since I haven't heard any compelling arguments against having them (the only one being, 'they're cheap by default), I'm going to vote yes. If I can come up with a fair and reasonable version of this clan, then it will be introduced
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PostSubject: Re: Uchihas   Sat May 28, 2011 4:40 pm

ok, I've come up with a tentative version of the Uchiha Clan, located here: http://narutogenerations.forumotion.com/t239-uchiha-clan#724

This version seems as close to acceptable as I can think of, but let me know what you guys think about
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